Held at Briones Park, Alameda County, Calif. Andrew and Patrice reigned. At opening court King Andrew gave Awards of Arms to Dorothy of Mossy Dell Fief, Katrina Ravn, Kerinda of Kymry, Maelgwyn de Lyonesse, Merewyn de Lyonesse, and Samuel of Mossy Dell Fief. He then admitted Amanda of Cawdor, Aurelia de la Licorne, Bjo of Griffin (Flavia Beatrice Carmigniani), Daniel the Bard, Elayne of Gad, Gwendolyn of the Thistle, Iain of Cawdor, Johann Heinrich Michael Siemon von Wernigerod, John ap Griffin, and William of Gad to the Order of the Leaf of Merit. Queen Patrice admitted Morven of Carrick and Sarah of Southdowns to the Queen’s Order of Grace. Crown Lists were held. Count Douglas Longshanks won, defeating Count William of Hoghton. Countess Lorna of Leeds was his lady. At closing court Douglas and Lorna were invested as Prince and Princess of the Mists. The winner of the Order of the Wooden Spoon competition for dolmas was Sumer Redmaene, Duchess von Hoflichskeit. The Muckin’ Great Clubbe was presented to Sir William the Lucky. King Andrew admitted Sir William Gordon of York to the Order of the Laurel, and Duke Paul of Bellatrix and Duke Siegfried von Hoflichskeit to the Order of the Pelican. King Andrew knighted Edward Zifran of Gendy and Iain of Cawdor.
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[Duchess von Hoflichskeit] “This last statement reflects upon the crux of a debate that stormed on and on (as far as I know all the details have not yet been settled). The 'Royal peerage' titles had more or less been settled years before, by the grand-fathering of the winners-of-two-tournaments (before we had the Crown), with the title of Duke. Later we sprouted Duchesses and later still Counts and Countesses.
“Two things had been overlooked (at this point in history) - the fact that marriage/significant-othership wasn't permanent in the mundane world, and the reality of fighters of the female gender. The reference to "Sumer Redmaene, Duchess von Hoflichskeit was Siegfried's effort to address the former issue (Ardis was, after all, a Countess in her own right having 'served as queen' once). The corollary question of what do you call the male consort of a Queen or Princess as far as I know is still moot since in the instances I'm aware of, the consorts already had 'Royal Peer' ranks of their own. But it does dig deep down into our collective concepts of what the titles mean (I admit, I would have little martial respect for a Duke who 'earned' his title for twice having served as consort).
“At any rate, this was my first opportunity to toss yet another controversy into the exchange.” – Kevin Peregrynne
“Iain and I were the first "double" knighting in the West I believe. Thus, I became the 50th Knight of the West (57th Member of the Chivalry). Andrew and Patrice had run out of the cloth white belts that were usually given at the time. Andy asked for the belt, and there was a pause as this realization came to light. Then, Sir Steven MacEanruig, stood up and removed his own belt and handed it to Andy. I was still in a daze but realized the Honor done to this little An Tirian. (I passed Steve's Belt on a few years later. I am told that it is still in use in An Tir. I don't know but that belt has to be at least, what 20 years old now? ... Is there any in use that are older?)” – Edward Zifran of Gendy
“Not to rain on Edward's Parade, but his was by no means the first double-knighting. Even if the original mass knighting at Twelfth Night II is discounted, Paul, Fleig and I had a double-knighting plus a mastering (if that is an acceptable term) three years earlier, and I'm by no means positive that it was the first plural knighting. (Weren't Hourai and Hubert knighted at the same time?).” – Kevin Peregrynne“I knighted them both, but I don’t recall if it was the same day. In any event there were not knighted simultaneously in a single ceremony. They were knighted in separate ceremonies.” – Henrik of Havn
“Actually, Andrew knew I was going to donate my belt to Gendy. It wasn't an uncommon practice at that time and, I hope, still isn't. Many years later at TYC [Twenty Year Celebration] in Texas I struck up a conversation with a knight and found he was wearing my old belt and was able to recite it's genealogy. He had heard of me but we had not met before.” – Steven MacEanruig
“I don't know when the first double Knighting took place in the SCA, (after the original "mass knighting" which sorta started in all). The first double Knighting in Atenveldt was done earlier than the one referred to recently on this list, (June 21, 1975) however. As King of Atenveldt I Knighted both Reynard Foxmoore (later Duke) and Jonathan Whitewolfe (later Count) in a double Knighting ceremony which took place at a tournament held Feb. 17-18, 1973.
“As a Master at Arms, and to maintain the unbroken chain of Knighthood, Duke Henrik of Havn and Sir Stephen Blackeagle held the sword with me, during the ceremony. After Reynard and Jonathan were called up before the court I announced that since Reynard and Jonathan called themselves brothers, and having grown up with a brother myself I knew how much brothers could fight over just about anything, that I was afraid that which ever one of them I Knighted first their "seniority" might lead to a conflict between them, so I had decided to Knight them simultaneously ... if they had no objection. They didn't.
“I had not been aware of any other such multiple ceremony (again, other than the "mass" Knighting with Henrik and all) when I did this, but it appears there were several of them. So, when was the first multiple Knighting (after the "mass" Knighting) and what were the circumstances ?” – Arthur of Lockehaven“Digging around in the awards list data ... After the "mass" knighting here are the first two multiples Oct 4, AS IV (1969) Houri the Savage and Hubert de Recoing, and March 21, AS IV (1970) Arnulf Silkhair, Jean de la Grand 'Anse, Robert Roundpounder, Stephen Blackeagle.” – Hirsch von Henford“Houri was knighted on the day he lost the finals to Stefan de Lorraine (whose squire he was), and Hubert (who had fought well all day and lost in the semi-finals ... it was single-elimination in those days) was knighted as well, but I think separately. Blackeagle was knighted and Arnulf made Master just after the former had defeated the latter in the crown finals. Steve was Henrik's squire and Arnulf was, I think, Master Edwin's man-at-arms. I distinctly recall that both were called up together and asked whether they would accept the belt or the baldric, so to speak. Arnulf said something about Vikings having no master, followed by Steve saying something like "Indians are loyal to their chief" (The name, Blackeagle, came from his previous activities in American Indian lore & dance, I think.)” – Robert of Dunharrow“My memory has Houri and Hubert kneeling together in front of Henrik but I could be wrong. Houri was knighted just before meeting me in the finals.” – Stefan de Lorraine“However, Jean de la Grande 'Anse (who became the 2nd knight in my household less than a year after myself) was knighted at an event in Atenveldt (then part of the West, of course) which he and the King (was it Henrik?) attended, but I didn't, thus missing his knighting. I suppose Robert Roundpounder was probably knighted at that event, too. Incidentally, Jean's lady, Ellen of the Gleaming Star (later his Queen) then bought some white leather and came to me to help make 2 belts, one as a surprise gift for Jean, and one to replace my cloth one. So I suppose my white belt, which I still wear to events, mostly in the Barony of Darkwood, is only about 29 years old, though this coming May is my 30th anniversary of knighthood. Some other belts must be older. (This last in response to earlier comments about ages of belts. However, I never passed mine on. Seven of my squires/men-at-arms were knighted and I would have been making new belts forever.)” – Robert of Dunharrow“As far as I know, the only Atenveldt event that Jean attended in that period was the time that he went there with myself (I was then king) and Henrik and Jon the Lean and various others, as detailed in a story I put into this list some time back. To the best of my knowledge, the only Western fighter I knighted at that time was Jon the Lean, and ran into a fair amount of flak for doing it there instead of in the West, tho no one doubted Jon's worthiness to be a knight. Mostly they were sorry they missed it. But most of Jon's closest friends were there in Atenveldt with us.
“I did knight Jean, and I think I did it at the same event I knighted Roundpounder (a knighting in the West that caused repercussions in Atenveldt), the same March tourney that Blackeagle won. At one point, my knighting Jean meant that I was the "great grandfather" of most of the knights of the West, as he knighted Hagen, who knighted Paul (and James?) who knighted a lot of people over all of his reigns who knighted a bunch more ...
“Oh, and Robert remembers the circumstances of the Knighting of Blackeagle and Mastering of Arnulf very precisely ...” – Stefan de Lorraine, who managed to pack quite a bit into one reign and has enjoyed (most of) the memories ever since...“Vis-a-vis old belts - I'm still using mine, which I got from Sir Hugh the Undecided. It dates from October 1973 when he was knighted. “ – Charles of Dublin
“There seems to be a small amount of confusion here. When Edward spoke of the first, "double knighting," he meant, literally, a "double knighting."
“I have no idea why I did this, it just took on a life of its own. Patrice and I called both Iain and Edward before the thrones, and asked them at the same time if they would accept knighthood. They both answered ‘yes’, and the ceremony proceeded. If I remember correctly, and my memory is foggy, I said, "Humm, I think I will do you both at the same time." There was a look of, "Huh?" on several faces. "To do this, I think I will need the help of my lovely lady," and I looked to Patrice. There was a slight pause as she looked at me as if to say, "Andrew, what ARE you doing?" but she stood up, moved closer to my left side, and quickly got into the spirit of the thing.
“Patrice and I held the sword (swords?) on which fealty was to be exchanged, and with arms crossed (my left arm under Patrice's right so that both Patrice and I were holding one hand each with both Iain and Edward), we proceeded to simultaneously receive and give oaths from and to both Iain and Edward. After oaths were exchanged, I dubbed Edward and Iain (Iain and Edward?) separately. Belts and chains were vested, both were personally congratulated by Patrice and me, and both were sent out to meet their peers.
“There have been several instances of two or more peerages being given out; however to the best of my knowledge, all have been separate ceremonies. Edward and Iain, to the best of my knowledge, was the only true "double knighting" to have taken place in the SCA. If I am wrong, please let me know.
“Again, my doing this double ceremony was completely unplanned and was spur of the moment.
“Lastly, to all of our grief, Iain of Cawdor died a couple of years ago.” – Andrew of Riga“In the West, there have been at least two true "double-knightings". Steven of Norham and Eric Foxworthy, and later Gareth of Crawford and David of Aragon.” – Eilis O’Boirne
“Didn't Douglas beat William the Lucky in the finals? I'm pretty sure the song honoring Douglas, that I sent you is correct, (it constitutes lore, as it was written at the time and "chronicles" the win in the last chorus.)” – Martin the Temperate
“This is part of a conversation Martin and I had concerning the
event where Rick Mantegani was wearing Paul of Belatrix's armor, and
I chipped three of his teeth. With a bit of editing, most of my
last reply is relevant to the June Crown Tourney following the First
Rebellion, and I have always felt it was one of those pivotal events
in the development of the use of pole arms in SCA combat.
“I think the armor change occurred at June Crown, when a melee was held with 18 fighters on each side (almost as many as the rebellion). This was about two months after the rebellion, and I had concluded that thrusting was the best way to use the weapon. I remember chipping Rick's teeth very clearly, as this was the first time I injured someone with the halberd. The melee teams were being picked by two new fighters, who picked the best fighters they knew, and then picked whoever that fighter recommended. I was on the side lead by Duke Paul, who had managed to get five other strong swordsmen and all six polearms on his side. He then assigned a polearm to each of his best swordsmen, and filled out each group with a less experienced swordsman, who was told to protect the polearms man. Each of the six teams was to maneuver as the lead swordsman thought best. Just before the lay on, he told everyone to spread out, about six feet apart. I thought that was a large interval, but Paul assured me it would be fine, and he was right, because as long as I stayed within six feet of Paul no one rushed me. The tactic worked like a charm, as I would follow Paul around the field, and if the person Paul attacked blocked Paul's first blow, when they lowered their shield to see, they saw the tip of my halberd headed for their eye slots. I suspect I killed 5 or 6 before I came to Rick, who was on his knees, engaged with a swordsman. The thrust wasn't particularly hard, but Rick's chin strap didn't keep the helmet off his face, and I chipped three teeth. At the time I was told that Rick had bought the helmet from Paul, and that it had cheek pieces which obviously didn't fit right. I had apparently hit William Gordon of York much harder, because after the melee he urged Paul (who was king) to ban the weapon, concerned about whiplash and neck injuries. Paul said there was nothing wrong with the weapon, people just weren't used to fighting it. A commission was appointed shortly thereafter, headed by Douglas Longshanks, to review polearm thrusting. I was included on that commission, because of my polearm experience, and the final report they wrote recommended that chinstraps must keep the helmet off the fighter's face.” – Robear du Bois
“I guess only by asking Rick will we know if it was at the rebellion (and described later) or if it was at a later date that the armor switch occurred. After all, it was some 25 years ago.” – Martin the Temperate
“As I noted in an earlier message, I talked about the rebellion and his teeth with Rick last weekend. The teeth were damaged during a melee at a regular tournament some weeks after the war.
“Otherwise the circumstances of the injury were just as Martin says except according to Rick the helmet did have a chin strap, but it didn't prevent the impact.
“Robear's account of the rebellion fits my recollection and sparked some additional memories. My glaive did indeed break (on somebody's head no doubt) by coming apart where the blade (one piece of padded and shaped rattan) was pegged and glued to the rattan shaft. This left me with a shortsword and the bare shaft and promptly riddled with Caidan pole-weapon thrusts.
“The fighting against the castle took place as described. One odd aspect from my point of view was being in the front rank of the storming party and falling over the wall untouched then buried under the bodies and under the feet of the following Westerners. I gradually wormed out from under the heap, picked a pair of feet belonging to the nearest fighter that I recognized as Caidan and stood up inside his guard and gutted him with my shortsword.
“I had not yet gotten fully erect when Hugh the Undecided whacked me with his halberd repeatedly but I was too close and they all bashed me with the haft.
“I recall shouting something along the lines of "Damn it Hugh, kill me, don't beat me to death!" Hugh obligingly choked-up on his grip got me with the head only for me to discover that I was so mired in corpses and living fighters that I couldn't fall.
“Both sides learned some interesting lessons from the first rebellion, and as a result, the second rebellion more closely resembled a clash between armies instead of a pair of armed mobs.” – Kevin Peregrynne
“After reading Robear's account, I'm pretty sure it was in the castle skirmish, where Robear describes thrusting Paul in the face (the first time he used the thrusting tip on his halberd), that it really wasn't Paul. I know this because Rick got his tooth chipped by that thrust.
“He had been wearing Paul's armor and fighting tunic. The helmet didn't fit him tightly enough, and it didn't have a chin strap. (None of the helmets required straps back then. It was Caiden soldiers who introduced spears and halberds into western SCA fighting.)
“It's amazing how our memories focus different parts. Robear's accounts are very accurate by my memory.” – Martin the Temperate
[Katrina Ravn ...] “Actually, though her name is pronounced Katrina, it's written Catherine. (Hal's sister, hasn't been active in decades, now living in An Tir.)” – Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin
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