Held in the Calafian Circle, Balboa Park, San Diego, CA. Prince Gregory and Princess Vivian held court. King William attended. King William invested Sir Hugh the Undecided and Rosemary of Talmont with the titles of Baron and Baroness and admitted Gabrielle Deveraux NicChlurain to the Order of the Leaf of Merit. King William then presented Awards of Arms to Prince Gregory and Princess Vivian. After a Princess’ Procession Coronet Lists were held. The winner was Guy Marchand de Montvert. Fiona Gregorovna (Natalya de Foix) was his lady. At closing court they were crowned Al Caid and Al Caidessa. King William admitted Eadmund du Battlemont and Jaelithe of Dragonstower to the Order of the Leaf of Merit, and gave Awards of Arms to Amadea de Dragonessa Strada, Christine Jehan de Bruges, Jaelithe of Dragonstower, and Sharrana Llewellyn ap David. After court and various scatterings for dinner the populace reconvened at a hall for a revel, with a display of legerdemain, ethnic dancing, and an impromptu Bardic Circle, the highlight of which being Duke Andrew of Riga and his Chorus’s rendition of “Why Must I Be a Teenager In Love?”, with Duke Andrew accompanying all on the guitar. Heinrich Palantine played the banjo and the guitar, and all had fun.
“This is of interest historically because Guy and Fiona never ascended the throne. It was re-fought with Morven of Carrick winning for Bevin Fraser of Stirling and becoming the fourth Prince and Princess of Caid. You need to get a conversation started between William of Houghton and/or Natalya and/or Robear and/or Charles of Dublin.
“In short, Fiona, I presume, was having second thoughts about sitting on the throne with Guy. Meanwhile Guy got involved in some kind of a mundane "prank." Fiona suggested to William that Guy's involvement could harm the SCA. William revoked their "heir" status and ordered the coronet re-fought. Guy was cleared, (it was just prankstering) but I don't remember if he fought the second time around. If he did, it was certainly not for Fiona.
“The aftermath was interesting too. Hugh the Undecided was founder and master of the Brotherhood of the Blade. Guy was a member of the Brotherhood. Many of the knights of Caid were members. Gregory of York (sitting prince) was affiliated and Hugh the Undecided had been the 2nd prince of Caid. Fiona was the principality seneschal and had approached William of Houghton in that role. A majority of the knights of Caid petitioned Gregory to look into the matter of a Caiden seneschal bypassing the Caiden royalty and peerage in a strictly Caiden issue. I don't remember all of the details, but it is the clear watershed event that put the running and governance of Caid firmly in the hands of the royalty and took it out of the hands of the "civil service". To this point, the baronial and principality seneschals had been the prime movers and shakers in pre- and early principality policy and politics.” – Martin the Temperate
“Regarding Guy and Fiona ... Guy made the twisted brass coronets with three crescents worn by the future Princes of Caid at this point. I believe the next event was Beltane Coronation. Hugh the Undecided had been in the Bay area on business, and most of the Brotherhood of the Blade spent Friday night in a two bedroom apartment he was using. Guy and Fiona were there, and their sleeping bags were next to each other (and next to about 10 other guys).” – Robear du Bois“Regarding Spring Coronet Tourney, my favorite memory is of closing court, which was being run by Conrad von Reginsburg, Principality Herald. Herman de Medici, a self-proclaimed Fool, was sitting on the grass near Conrad, and about half way through court, he wrapped himself around Conrad's lower left leg. Conrad refused to be rattled and continued with court, whereupon Herman started breaking off blades of grass and dropping them into the left boot. At that point Conrad appealed to his Majesty, William, who promptly wrapped himself around Conrad's right leg and added grass to his right boot. A sight not to be forgotten.” – Robear du Bois
“With regard to Guy's troubles with the Coronet an informal inquiry (for lack of a better name) of the Caidan knights was called at Sir Hugh's house in reaction to the Crown & Duke William of Houghton saying that Guy could not serve as Prince. All of Caid's active knights were there except for Armand de Sevigny and possibly Maihie McFergie. I happened to be there more as a Guy's advocate within the Brotherhood than anything else. During the debate Hugh called William, who said - in no uncertain terms - that Guy could not sit the Throne, even after it was explained that it was a prank & that he was not going to go to jail (Natalya having given the impression that he would be lucky not to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law). There were some among us who still wanted to fight this on principle including Hugh, but Hugh observed that while we could make a fight of it we would definitely lose among bad feeling that would linger for a long time afterwards. If Guy was willing to drop it, he could always try again later to achieve the Throne after things had died down. Guy thought this was a good idea and accepted it, so that ended the matter except for Natalya's resignation as Seneschale of CAID.” – Charles of Dublin
“William of Houghton was not King during the time of Guy's problems. By then, Paul of Bellatrix had been crowned. It is my firm recollection the decision to not allow Guy to become Prince was Paul's.
“Regarding Guy's "prank," again, my recollection is he and one or two of this (mundane) buddies robbed a convenience store. Is that what occurred? Please understand I am asking not to open up old wounds, but to clarify the historical record.” – Andrew of Riga“Andrew is right, the business with Guy and Fiona definitely occurred in Paul's reign, as Paul was King during the rebellion in May and during the Coronet Tourney/Investiture in June. I was not a knight and thus not at the council Charles mentioned, but neither Armand nor Maihie had yet been knighted, so if Hugh, Christian, Thomas, Martin and Morvin were present, then all Caid's knights were present. Regarding the "prank", the following is my recollection; I think Fiona's response was due to the realization at Beltane that she couldn't control Guy, and when the incident occurred, she panicked. Regarding Guy and Fiona .... I believe the next event was Beltane Coronation. Hugh the Undecided had been in the Bay area on business, and most of the Brotherhood of the Blade spent Friday night in a two bedroom apartment he was using. Guy and Fiona were there, and their sleeping bags were next to each other (and next to about 10 other guys). The next day at Beltane, it was amazing to see just how many girls thought the soon to be Prince Guy was REALLY CUTE! He was still in High School, and was visibly pleased at the attention. That evening he was interested in joining the quest, and I invited him to join my group, which he did. When we got back to camp, Fiona asked him, "WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?", and he replied, "Out questing.", which was literally true, but subject to misinterpretation. Guy was one of several of us who spent the night in Sir Hugh's pavilion, but Fiona was not there. I think this is relevant to what occurred a few weeks later. My understanding is that Guy was at a party with some friends from the football team, and was with them later that evening when one of them showed his knife to a passing stranger and suggested he might want to contribute to their cause. Guy was still with them some time later that evening when the Police picked them up. I don't believe Guy was actively involved, but was keeping bad company, and not yet mature enough to realize when to walk away.” – Robear du Bois“There was no robbery of a convenience store involving Guy. However, apparently there was a fight after Guy was attacked shortly after showing his knife to a mundane in a mundane context. His resulting legal problems straightened him out real good, but would not have prevented him from serving as Prince. You are right, Paul of Bellatrix was the King who made the decision. The reason why William of Houghton (who was in agreement with the decision) was the one consulted was that he was on the BoD as I recall at the time & we needed to know our options. I guess that Armand was not a Knight at the time so the active Knights were Brotherhood, Viscount Sir Christian of Orange having disappeared after his reign as 1st Prince.” – Charles of Dublin
“My take on the circumstances under which Guy de Montvert stepped
down and the Coronet was re-fought, with Morven of Carrick winning for me.
“So far as I can recall, there was never any question of Fiona/Natalya worrying whether she could control Guy on the Throne. Keep in mind that Natalya and I were then and still are the best of friends, and I well remember her agonizing over the ethical point whether a Prince who acted so irresponsibly could rightly function as the fount of honour for his principality and an exemplar of chivalry. She certainly wanted to be Princess – we both did – and in the beginning, I don't think she had any qualms about Guy himself, at least that she confided in me – and I know that she had occasional inevitable pang of regret/if onlys during that reign – which should have been her own. But she believed, as do I, that the best decision was made at the time, knowing only what we did then – and I say this not simply because I was the one to step into her shoes. To the best of my recollection, it was strictly a matter of the arrest and at-the-time likely legal consequences. I don't now remember exactly what Guy was alleged to have done, but it was certainly serious enough at the time that a significant majority of the Great Officers of the Principality felt that it would not be appropriate for him to be Prince while this situation was in question, and the King obviously concurred. Of course, I was not privy to any of the discussions of the Knights in this regard.
“In any event, the Coronet Lists were re-fought on the day that should have been the Coronetting, Morven won, and he and I were invested that evening. Fortunately, Guy was subsequently cleared of anything beyond mere youthful exuberance and poor judgement; but there was no going back to change the past. And the incident did, indeed, help him get himself straightened out.” – Bevin Fraser of Stirling
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